Monthly Archive for February, 2020

12-6-3

12-6-3 = Innocent

There’s a kids book called ‘Where’s Wally’ and he’s always there right on the page dressed in red and white stripes but you have to look hard to find him. Choir singers are dressed in red and white too. So where are the Wallies in our story? They can’t be in the sacristy nor at the doorway. Nor standing around in the corridor. Where are they? That’s the problem right there. There is nowhere for them to be that can position them to later get them into the sacristy for the second 6 minutes and I will explain why below.

When we review what’s been said in the comments and some of mine are article length over the 5 Pell related posts – 5/ Andrews; 4/ The Stunt!; 3/ Pell out May!; 2/ Pell 2; 1/ Pell verdict – manifestly unsafe.; it’s apparent that Steve has literally dragged himself to understand that the whole Pell case rested on a maximum 5-6 minute total window of potential opportunity as the END 5-6 of the first 12 minute ‘after’ mass period. It could not happen by definition in the first 6 minutes after as people were either on route or it (the Sacristy) was occupied by the others who got there first.

Over these several months (and only after a chimp like struggle with the numbers) Steve has dragged his brain past the first 6 minutes to arrive at a full understanding that the external procession concluded in the sacristy with men putting away stuff they were carrying! ‘The altar servers included the crucifer carrying the cross at the head of the procession, the censer bearer with incense, and other acolytes assisting the service.’ ‘The crucifer left the cross on display in the priests’ sacristy and protocol demanded those who followed him bow to it before starting their duties in the room.’ and beyond!

For Steve, men in vestments are now in the room bowing to that cross and putting away their stuff and chatting etc., and red dress, white top wearing choir boys are not there YET, nor are they standing at the door ready to go in when the room becomes empty! Steve is not prepared to say where those 2 highly visible truant boys are but he fully accepts they are NOT in the ‘priest’s sacristy’ at the end of the first 6 minutes!

The altar servers ‘would then assist the sacristan [to] remove other liturgical objects from the cathedral sanctuary to the sacristy, clean them, and store them properly there. The objects included the wine chalice and cruets, bread patens, altar cloths, water jugs and flowers.’ And they would do so in some sort of order and priority and with some sort of hierarchy with the sacristan as the main man supervising. To make sure ‘the hive of activity’ of the sacristy functions properly is a big part of his job. People are always requiring his instruction and guidance on what’s to be done. This is for him all a very well rehearsed ‘theatrical production’ that has, I will now TOTALLY speculate, been going on essentially unchanged for decades. My guess will eventually be given substance or refuted when the Catholics involved start publicly speaking up next month. But modified activities or not, the work space has to end up totally clear and ready for the next mass when the sacristan locks up and goes for his Sunday lunch that he is wanting to do asap.

As a rule people don’t make extra work for themselves and that’s most clearly seen in routine procedures. After mass, our sacristan -Potter- was a busy man; first unlocking the door for the returning procession and (say) putting the lectionary where it belongs. He’s not going to make a trip to the sacristy without carrying something. That’s a simple work process. This man wants to get to his lunch just like the rest of us. A cathedral sacristan is sort of a ‘boss of the altar servers’. https://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Sacristan

The sacristan might be the first to turn on his heel and go get something else from the sanctuary but he also may very well not be the first or even one of the altar servers to return to the sanctuary at all. He might leave that for the juniors and stay where he is directing the ‘hive’. The first one to leave to get the rest of the ‘sacred’ stuff could well be the crucifer. He could just turn on his heel and go get the wine chalice and cruets if he did so then 3 minutes later he could be back and cleaning them!

The words ‘might’ and ‘could’ etc., are all very carefully chosen as they are only speculative because we don’t know who left first, all we know is someone did. To even begin to believe the J story we are compelled to empty the room! Not one person can be left inside! We then have to deal with that people traffic in the corridor to let 2 out of bounds boys back against the flow through to the sacristy and all the while time ticks away.

Only 1 man remaining or promptly returning with his sacred object to clean and put away would destroy J’s story. Having split the remaining theoretical 6 minutes and reduced the time to 3 nothing could be left to work with as a ‘crime’ can’t happen without opportunity.

So even though they ALL came IN and put away their burdens they don’t all turn on their heels like grenadier guards and all piss off back to the sanctuary. For the story to be true they had to do so BUT still reality dictates that the whole gang of about 12 of them are now going down the common corridor.

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No boys could come back the other way as the scandalous prosecutors know. The egress of one set prevents the ingress of the other. The speed that they theoretically ALL leave the room is of little importance because it does not alter the problem of where they are going through for going to. The ‘where is wally’ problem remains for the corridor and it’s one of the fatal problems for J’s story.

These dozen men can’t all have decided to do nothing and go and divest in the utility room. That was how the ‘stunt’ achieved this miracle, or sought to, but the prosecutor failed and had to retract that fabrication because it was entirely unsupported by any evidence. Only some of these men have some very small but routine tasks to get on with, as do some other people coming the other way. People in the cathedral have some money to hand on to the sacristan for placing in the vault in the north east corner of the sacristy. They are on their way! But where are the con-celebrant priests in all this -for them- pointless movement? They are in reality back in that sacristy divesting and they do so in a ritualistic manner. They are older men taking their time and chatting quietly and perhaps waiting around to have a word with their Archbishop when he gets there with his MC Portelli a man who is tasked with staying with the Archbishop.

I’ve been an atheist for a very long time and have a general loathing for any church activity so I avoid nearly all of them. But how these men have disappeared is beyond any reasonable understanding because they are in no way needed for getting a few things from the altar and it is not the practice for the priests to attend to these very menial tasks. In a normal church the priest having ended the mass would have left the ‘stage’ and be in the sacristy ready to divest but also dealing with the sacred stuff that the altar servers would get from the altar as instructed. Often in my childhood at a parish church, one of the older nuns would fill the role of sacristan as I recall. Fine linen altar cloths were taken to be cleaned and ironed etc.. That’s about the best I can remember from the late 1960s. My point is that once a mass is over the clean up time is short and people want to get away asap. Just the size of the St Patrick’s priest’s sacristy and a dozen men milling about within indicates what the problem is. Priest’s have more ‘kit’ to get off and put away.

The altar servers only have a cassock and top and they have their small items to get from the sanctuary, they may as well turn on their heel and go get them. These servers eventually when the jobs are done get dismissed by the sacristan and go to the utility room to divest. There is no need for them in the utility room till then except if they have some flowers to take from the sanctuary. There is no room for them in the crowded sacristy where Potter, the priests and others have business as does the archbishop and his ‘shadow’ Portelli, because of the art works being restored leaving him no room of his own during that time. These were temporary arrangements so the now common space was a little crowded. But like any theater event this off stage room was a place to discuss the performance and to talk of all manner of work issues.

All that Steve is clear on is that offending by the fully robed, yet out of place and context offender is to unfold in the next 6 minutes if it’s to happen at all. Yet there are no clear 6 minutes! The priest sacristy is well known to be a ‘hive of activity’ at this precise time when the procession has returned. The entire catholic clergy, laity and community that is closely associated with the Cathedral has always understood this. That is why absolutely nobody that is connected to St Patrick’s Cathedral is having a bar of this! They are ALL silent for fear of somehow harming Pell’s legal matters and they are following ‘legal’ advice and ‘orders’ and remaining mute and dignified. But I say they are just waiting to tell the world -when Pell is free- what’s the reality of what they do in that sacristy. No clear time exists for such an idiot assault so J either hallucinated or made it up. Either way it never happened simply because it couldn’t happen.

Frankly this explanation of workplace practices must be fully told or the anti-catholic fruitcakes and pseudo-lefts will have their way and Pell and the Catholics will have doubt still hang over their heads. When the dozen or so men involved get their story out, there will be no doubt in the mind of fair observers that J is not a victim. Pell is the victim in this case.

Steve says it’s virtually impossible for us humble researchers to know 23 odd years later what the next 6 minutes brought forth. But that’s not true. Deduction works. It just seems like we can’t know perhaps because a ‘reconstruction’ is not yet on film! People are wise after the event. Why wasn’t that done?

On the one story catholic clergy business as usual, on the other 2 boys are raped and get back to singing! The later story seems to be -for the baying mob- to be catholic clergy business as usual anyway! 2 boys found swilling wine; a few possible uninterrupted minutes in an open door room ‘may’ be available; several other men are supposed to be like Pell himself coming into the room to do the well known hive of activity work and divest within, and YET away we go if you’re George Pell! Bullshit heaped on bullshit heaped on yet more bullshit. Nevertheless Pell, is in Jail so our legal system is in la la land and consequently Australians need a credible inquiry to look into this. It’s more than a legal error and more than a scandal.

Steve is not like the Broken Rites gang because he wants Pell released by the coming High Court decision but just not totally exonerated. The Broken Rites mob want Pell left right where he is, and that is locked up in a jail. They can’t be persuaded by Steve that this is an unsafe verdict. Steve still thinks it IS a possible crime but the case just not beyond a reasonable doubt. I have dragged him that far and no further. The verdict is in Steve’s view after many months of guided thinking now for him ‘manifestly unsafe’, the title of my first post.

Readers are invited to review that post to note how far I have now dragged myself as well as Steve.

But less than a month from the scheduled High Court hearing and for Steve, Pell and his church ought then be happy to just live with a public doubt because the case could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. According to Steve, that is the best that can be done for ‘big George’ Pell, who has, Steve is quite keen to tell us, other child sexual abuse issues to deal with anyway; so let’s not forget that!

Well Steve will get his wish. The High Court will only acquit Pell and that will do Steve just fine. That outcome is a great consolation prize for Viv Waller and the Broken Rites cabal. They don’t want any further wind back in this case! But they can’t stop us atheist democrats and the Catholics fighting back still further and consequently revealing what actually goes on in the next 6 minutes usually at least.

The Catholic silence will end when Pell is released. Then people will have their say and it will be filmed as well. The procession is the key to the case. Where are the wallies?

SANO and Waller etc., have managed to get a ridiculous conviction from presenting a fantasy world which will, after Pell is released be right out in public view to be compared to what actually happens and why it happens. The ‘mystery’ of the priests’ sacristy and the actual work of the sacristan and his altar server helpers plus the role of all the others in the procession will be revealed. The shameless of course just won’t care. They can be shown up or be ignored but they can’t be shamed for behaving like an hysterical lynch mob. Shame will only be felt by all who have just honestly failed to think this case through. Only the fundamentally honest can be shamed!

Whatever were a huge string of people thinking to have let this nonsensical imagined collection of disjointed near impossibilities from a disturbed mind end up in a trial and finish in a conviction and a lost appeal? How did this rot end in a last ditch chance? The whim of the High Court choosing to take this case is on display and the answer for many is that ‘he was rich and powerful’ what do you expect? Well that’s just not so; this case is right up there with Lindy Chamberlain as an utter travesty and so for all our sake’s George Pell must be acquitted.

In the real world 6 minutes is NOT what we are stuck with for our 2 alternatives. First we have to get those men back out of that room then we have to get 2 boys in there and all the while the seconds tick by and 1 minute is gone from the end in the rush to get back to the choir rehearsal room! How quick can men be got out and boys in? Not to worry how quick can the 1st of the acolytes get back? About 3 minutes! Out and back with a missal or a chalice. Right in the middle of the assault! That destroys the whole case.

Just recall the main aspects of this incredible case. J was a 13yr old boy soprano all those years ago and with George Pell all over the media about child abuse issues for years, J says as a 32yr old that (has had mental issues to deal with) that he and R, another soprano now dead, once left the front section of the procession when it had arrived at the rear gate. He says they made their way past dozens of adults and other boys unnoticed and 2 decades later un-recalled by the others. They made their way around and back into the Cathedral to eventually, because of a physical traffic jam -and after hiding and waiting somewhere unexplained- enter the priest’s sacristy. There they engaged in a spot of poking about. 2 unnoticed, red-dress-wearing, utterly out of place and context sopranos – when they are supposed to be at 1 of 2 possible after mass Christmas season choir practice sessions. Looking in cupboards they found wine and quickly started swilling it from the bottle. Then they were suddenly discovered by the arch demon himself, who asked what they were doing; told them off and then set upon them in an astounding manner for a man who knows this room is about to become a hive of activity. When all the vile acts were over J and the other abused singer R retraced their miscreant steps. They took the long way round. They got through what was a normally locked gate and then a normally locked rear door and there is just no explanation for not choosing the simpler alternative route either.

Though now 10 minutes late for rehearsal they entered the rehearsal room. No other member of the Choir boy or man noticed the 2 late tear-stained, recently traumatised 13yr olds entering the practice room. They were not missed -their 2 empty spots in the choir unnoticed- not just their late entry and lastly they obviously sung like larks as usual because no one recalled any bad singing! That is the madness that our legal system has reduced to! I have no doubt at all that other men were occupying that room. Priests, returning altar servers perhaps even money collectors. And let us not forget a sacristan in normal control of his sacristy. We know one version is reality the other a ‘lie’ i.e., a false memory at best.

These 2 boys were exceptional in several respects; in being keen to go back into the Cathedral where they had only just been bored 13yr olds, at mass 5 minutes ago at the start of their procession. These highly visible out of place and context boys HAVE somehow to know they can’t be there in the sacristy just then and then they also have to know when they CAN go in. But how do they know it’s empty? Steve has conceded that others are already there and about to walk out on cue. But now that we have the boys back inside the Cathedral at the 6 minute mark we have to also place them within entering distance of the priests sacristy YET they must not be visible to those walking out of it or the game would be up. Somehow they must see but not be seen as all those inside make their way out! That is about a dozen men; 6 in front and 6 in the rear of the procession. If there were only 4 in each tranche that would still be 8 men that have to come back out after putting stuff away. A High Mass with as few as 8? That would be a notable event. Then there are the side issues such as when would the money turn up for the safe? What is the sacristan’s role in opening the safe and putting in the money? What were the money movers waiting for? We can follow the money as well. Every Sunday the plate gets passed around and nobody is compelled to put in anything but quite a few do as I recall from ½ a century ago. Perhaps the money people go off to the utility room for a counting house. I don’t know but the involved Catholics can tell us! What of the staff that are going back to the Knox building after Sunday Mass; they pass down that single corridor as well!

Only 1 adult has to block entry to that sacristy. Only 1 of these obviously somewhere about the place people have to actually be where they are supposed to be and the whole story becomes an obvious mad romp.

We are all left wondering what happened to the con-celebrant priests? They have disappeared or been turned into altar servers off to the sanctuary or the utility room! Why? Well we don’t know other than to get rid of a problem that it is now clear never goes away! The conclusion is Pell is innocent and an inquiry needed.

MENA

An opportunity for a full discussion of the current state of the swamp!
What do leftists now think is going on.

Tom Griffiths
February 7 at 8:31 PM ·

As some may gather I keep an eye on events in Turkey courtesy of the Turkish Bianet news service and my friendship with one of the initial organizers in the mid 90’s of Saturday Mothers, a weekly gathering of mothers, wives and friends of the ‘disappeared’. My friends husband was one of the ‘disappeared’ and she came very close to ‘disappearing’ herself. Their spirit of resistance and determination, then, now and in the years in between, is beyond admirable – they are inspiring, which is why the Turkish regime is subjecting them to new rounds of intimidation and harassment. I’d like to ask people to subscribe to Bianet and keep a supportive eye on the Saturday Mothers and all others resisting the dead weight of the regime.

Yoleri briefly detained

Yoleri briefly detained

Susan Geraghty How can we help??

Tom Griffiths Good question Susan. Otherwise known as – how can we assist/support the Turkish people to give Erdogan the flick? From here not a lot. However messages of support/solidarity is something we can do – to Bianet (I’d assume they’d pass them on) and I can pass them on through my friend in Turkey. You’ve got me thinking…

Ruth Frances It’s very distressing to see what this man is doing to Turkey .

Patrick Muldowney I presume you are not objecting to the Turkish government providing shelter for the almost 8 million Syrians that it is now involved in doing. So I guess this is just a pro PKK post and not pro Assad and Putin. as if the war with the PKK has not been going for many decades and was under Erdogan making progress via the democratic solution to the Kurdish issues that brought on war in the first instance.

Patrick Muldowney I would say that Erdogan is currently the most important political leader by a long shot and so I think we ought to talk about this issue and see what we actually think. Syria is very confusing and even Arthur and Barry and Dave completely misunderstood what Putin was up to back in 2015. They don’t talk about it these days but believe me I still do and it is even more complicated than it was when I first started to investigate it back in 2011. As you know No investigation no right to speak and I have earned that right.

Patrick Muldowney
I have opened a thread at http://strangetimes.lastsuperpower.net/ called MENA if that would help people keep track of where any investigation takes us. I expect this to be quite a difficult investigation and do not assume that people have any current background understanding but just a good will attitude to investigating the issues.

Andrews

The High Court train is still coming, even if people look the other way. When it gets here the legal game-playing stops and reality will be released with Pell. That reality will run right over those still facing the wrong way. No prize for guessing what political elements will be run over. The smart ones are already well away from these tracks but the Victorian Premier is tied to them.

Steve Owens is not prepared to convict on the strength of what he now understands are the accusations and that is moving past the former position of not approving of a word on word conviction on principle.

After the appeal, and even before I read Weinberg I had already thought the appeal to the High Court ought to be made and what that court ought to find because of the merits of this case as they had slowly been revealed to me before that appeal. Nobody thought an appeal ought to be launched on the basis that the word on word legislation was unconstitutional, so Steve even if he didn’t like it, must have thought that it was open to the jury to find guilt in this case on the strength of that evidence as the majority concluded. Without Weinberg Steve would be lost.

The appeal itself was as I read it, unexplainable head-shaking crap from the majority and typical understatement from the dissenting lawyer turned judge.

If Weinberg did not exist, and some other judge had joined with the majority for a 3:0 decision I would not have altered my view of this case in the slightest. The majority were not dealing with the reality of time and space, let alone in their proper sequence by starting with the leaders of the procession. The leaders had to get to the priests sacristy first; and physical consequences follow from this deductive fact: starting with a time span that had just ended and another commenced.

Even running the ‘impossible’ argument; Say the boys had got there first anyway (and they physically could not without an actual and thus memorable disruption to the procession that we know did not happen because it was not recalled by the unchallenged witnesses) then the boys would have been discovered by the leaders of that procession as they entered that same room and no crime could result!

So despite the accusation, the facts disclose that the room is already occupied! And everything of the time sequence problem flows from this undoubted fact. The total normal time length of the procession had to expire without any opportunity arising for the boys to enter the sacristy.

The hive of activity evidence then prohibits a subsequent entrance to this area. The boys could never have been there! That is what Steve Owens won’t turn his mind towards.

My ability to spot a consequential massive miscarriage of justice does not rely on the games (with either good or bad motives) that are played by the bourgeois legal profession. I’m only glad that Weinberg was around and able to do as much as he has for the further legal process of the High Court that is coming in about 3-4 months now. ‘Their’ legal system is the very flawed adversarial system that Australians suffer under. I am not defending ‘their’ system but it looks like Steve Owens is.

On the purely legal issue, my view developed and changed from ‘not guilty’ to something else altogether…

These 5 accusations (for all the reasons already discussed by me) can’t be accepted to being proved to beyond the point of reasonable doubt. That doubt is only in theory; in practice, it’s really the opposite. The accused has 2 strikes against them by being there in the dock in the first place! The presumption of innocence is theory. But in theory, doubt was in this case supposed to remain standing in the accused favor but I failed to convince Steve of this. Dissenting judge Weinberg has convinced Steve of this. The rest of ‘us’ that he read could not get through to the political opponent Steve. Such a surprise.

But not guilty because of a demonstrable time and place problem ie a provable lack of opportunity, is another matter. The evidence shows the room where the 4 charges were said to have occurred could not be available for these attacks as others were using the room.

5-6 minutes were not (and even if unreasonably extended to 10 minutes) available for the crime.

The entire case has collapsed on those 2 physical points of time and space. There was no opportunity for Pell or anyone else to have committed these crimes at that time and place. If that is so it is clear that all 5 charges are simply false. The defense was correct to say that the case was impossible because it was.

How the jury and the majority missed this is interesting of itself but not important because that is what they have done like it or not. Facts are, as is said, stubborn things!

There is thus not even a need to look further and ask why the accusations were made by J, or how convincingly they were made by him; because without opportunity nothing could have happened no matter what was said! Enter the political, social and cultural dimensions to this case.

A lack of opportunity conclusion ALSO ends the legal issues – BUT we are left not with a political opponent that is still under a cloud and so maybe he is just lucky to have got off… because he is rich and powerful – but instead we are left with an innocent man that is now and could have been for years politically, socially and culturally attacked by the forces that now have to account for what they have been doing with all the power and funds at their disposal. An inquiry is in order to get to the bottom of this.

My question is not what sort of games can the legal profession play to hide that reality, but rather what was the SANO task force actually doing when they had a responsibility to work out if such an implausible accusation was even possible in the first place?

There are in short also the political, cultural and social issues to consider along with the legal, and there are many people who do not want these factors examined. Steve can start by acknowledging that this is the case. A clearly identifiable element do NOT want any further investigation; as a democrat I am deeply concerned about the power of the police and publicly-funded ABC journalists and I do want this inquiry.

For the account to have been real people had to be disappeared, or there had to be a Catholic conspiracy to assist in a crime of pedophilia and that is not the real world with the people in this procession. This 2nd form of acquittal thus drags in the police for these other reasons. The police who were in a position to know and yet didn’t go to the trouble of sorting this opportunity issue out; behaved much worse than just recklessly.

They had no excuse to have not sent a couple of police along to record over several Sundays just how the event would have unfolded, that could in any way enable boys to do the bad behavior claimed – without adults noticing what was going on! The police ought never to have flown to Rome with such twaddle! Pell should never have even been interviewed about such crazy accusations. This is persecution heaped upon persecution.

The fact that this man ‘J’ is mentally disturbed in some manner is totally relevant and it can be seen that I was correct to pick up on the issue. How is it that such a series of accusations were pursued by the police? This will have resulted after all the struggle, trauma and costs that Pell, the Church, and Catholics generally have been put through in a total defeat of all these accusations! They were all flawed to such a sad extent that these last 5, and clearly lunatic accusations were all that went to trial.

Steve is only ‘…prepared to go as far as judge Weinberg and say that there is a significant possibility that Pell is innocent and on that basis should walk free.’

‘Significant possibility’ when the words Steve is looking for are the jury got it wrong; that Pell ought not have been convicted; Pell ought not have spent 1 day in jail, but he will have spent over 14 months in jail and even Steve Owens with so little time to study the issue, understands that this outcome is wrong! So that begs the question; how was it that the police who are paid to do the investigating couldn’t understand that Pell ought not to be convicted from the evidence that they cobbled together? Why did they choose to believe a person with a mental disorder who was changing his story? Why did the police advertise for complainants? Why did they bring such feeble-minded accusations all the way to Rome, when J could not even get into the room because other people were already there? Is this how Australia ought to run? There are also the political and cultural aspects of our country to consider and Steve knows this and that is why Steve is dissembling.

People like David Marr have definitely not gone to ground and neither have the police. They have caused the mischief and will get away with it if there is no inquiry and the Victorian ALP Premier does not want one!

Marr did not think the High Court would be interested BUT they are! Mind you when Marr thought that Pell would win the appeal he thought the High Court ought to be interested! Chris Kenny just said ‘say what?’. Marr is exactly the bias of this case writ large. Marr’s motive is to get Pell irrespective of the evidence! Marr has no problem looking both ways to suit himself, just like all the rest of the anti-Pell campaigners that Steve is now unable to openly unite with. Yet Steve is also not wanting to expose them.

I am after an inquiry and their goal will be to prevent an inquiry. Steve Owens is heading for another fence to sit atop, with the pretense that it’s all too hard to work out!

What Weinberg has done is not now the important part that I have been trying to get at, and others are trying to hide from. Weinberg had explained the law to his incompetent Supreme Court colleagues – that somehow he could not get to join him in the real world. He went down 2:1 and I don’t understand that, nor do I claim to fully grasp how the jury could have been so flawed.

As luck would have it, Pell won the support of a single judge and that legal expert could clarify matters sufficiently for the scales to fall from Steve’s eyes. As far as an acquittal goes that is the simple luck of having this single judge to guide and explain how this case has gone so terribly wrong.

So now Steve, like me, also now thinks the High Court will rule in Pell’s favor. I couldn’t convince Steve, nor could Bolt, or Windschuttle etc., You just held to your initial discomfort of this being just 1 man’s word against another man, with no supporting evidence at all and THAT you found yourself unable to countenance, but that was the law and so there was nothing to see other than that. Importantly for Steve, the change of stance is only just enough. Weinberg is simply not concerned with the police misconduct that I have spotted and want dealt with. Weinberg is not interested in an inquiry that drags in the ABC. You can’t see anything wrong with what the police and the ABC have done, and in your view, Australia ought to just move on as the system has worked as it should!

There is now sufficient doubt for you to understand the case to the degree required to go along with that minority of one judge and condemn, the majority decision as an error that you want the HC to overturn 7-0.

WOW. That is something.

So, if all the judges had sung from the same Hymnbook, Pell would have no support from you except that you think that the law which could permit a word on word trial to bring forth a conviction of beyond a reasonable doubt in the first instance, is wrong. Luckily, we have the ruling elite lawyer turned judge to solve our thinking for us. Weinberg gives Steve the excuse to go further than he previously had.

What you had managed was something like; that bastard Pell could be convicted because it is the law that the jury can decide who they believe! And though you’re not happy with that state of affairs, nevertheless that is the law, and he had a fair trial and the jury convicted. So, nothing unusual in that and the High Court ought not to interfere with that!

No concession to any deductive reasoning from amateurs. No concern about what the police have been up to. No problem with a culture of hysteria generating a collective blind spot. No problem with the publicly funded ABC bias. NADA care, ZIP comment.

Steve can just bleat that really you can leave it for your betters to decide his fate. I can picture you, straw in mouth bringing in the squires sheep talking to another muck covered peasant; ‘Aye Jim lad; and it’s not as if that rich bastard has not had the very best legal minds that money can buy now is it?’ ‘They would have gone through all that stuff that them there Pell supporters are raising now; wouldn’t they Jimbo?’ Tis not for the likes of us to work this out and we’re all too busy with the sheep and the fires anyway! Mark my words, the lawyers will sort this out and we can rest assured of that.’

Given you understand ‘its the timing of the subsequent events that matter.’ who got to the room first? J and R who had to double back and work out where to go as they went back into a church like all young boys would NOT do after they got out of the joint or those leading the procession?

Naturally, you will stick to not knowing. It won’t matter to you to get to the bottom of this either. You won’t want another hearing for the other people in the procession to explain reality. Once you answer that question all the rest goes up in smoke.

Also, apparently the police from SANO have your full support. I on the other hand call for an inquiry into what has made Australia a laughing stock right across the world.

According to Steve, Pell is just lucky to be getting out under a cloud of suspicion thanks to Weinberg. The ability of others to see right through this is pure luck and anyway methodologically flawed. People ought not to try to work this out themselves because they were not in the room for the whole trial, so they really are not in anything like the best place to do the job. We should all just keep quiet and let the process unfold. But why will that not end with the police getting away with this misconduct, and Victorian Premier Andrews not looking the other way?

If it weren’t for Weinberg as far as you are concerned, Pell would just sit there and do his time!

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews and fence-sitting pseudo leftists can pretend there is nothing to investigate. But when the next film is made it will show them all up as the threats to democracy that they really are.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Angels_(film)